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NJ High School XC Rankings – Sectionals Edition (Girls)

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Two to Go
The Sectional Championships are behind us and the field has been narrowed to 80. the Five fastest squads from each Sectional Race are now en route to the Group Championships at Holmdel Park this Saturday. There were some surprises, but no real shockers as The Ladies started on the trek to the MOC. Red Bank Catholic still rules the roost, but the shuffle to find the best of State continues. Take a look at what happened to the Top Ten last week and start the countdown to the best two Saturdays of the season!

GIRLS: Week 10
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RANK TEAM VOTES 1ST PLACE Week Looking Back Looking Ahead
1 Red Bank Catholic 99 9 1 “B” Team 2nd @ NJCTC Favorite in the NP “A” Championship Race (and beyond?)
2 Ridgewood 85 1 4 Winners @ No. 1 Gr. 4 Terrific 1-2 punch with solid back up cast.
3 Ridge 79 2 Goes 4-10 to Win No. II Gr. 4 Impressive 4-10 Performance @ No. II Sectional
4 W Windsor-P’boro So. 71 7 CJ Gr. 4 Champions Not very deep, but Rancan / Casey give a low early score
5 Hillsborough 54 3 2nd @ CJ Gr. 4 Mauer on a roll w/ a solid pack Raiders will rebound
6 Mendham 48 8 Takes No. II Gr. 3 Title Super frosh Tiboni emerging as elite . 3 Freshman score
7 Haddonfield 34 5 Won SJ Gr. 2 Race Gess leads very good team
8 Shawnee 27 NR SJ Gr. 4 Titleists A little under the radar. SJ power will represent
9 Randolph 23 6 2nd @ No. I Gr. 4 Where do they get these kids? Monster job despite injuries
10 Rumson-Fair Haven 10 NR Victors in CJ Gr. 2 Race They know how to race…especially at Holmdel.
Also Receiving Votes:
No. Hunterdon (8) Princeton (5) Voorhees (4) No. Highlands (3)

AOW

Athlete of the Week
Epiphany Grisbaum (Ocean City HS ’15) – Epiphany Grisbaum has had a great season so far and heads into the Group Championships on a roll. Grisbaum, who recently announced that she will continue her academic and athletics career at Vanderbilt University, won the SJ Group 3 Championship with a time of 18:01. Her mark was the fastest time of the day over the Delsea Reg. HS layout.

Photos
Ridgewood @ No. I Grp. 4 Race – Maroon News
Epiphany Grisbaum @ SJ Grp. 3 Race – Dennis Smyth (RunningWorksPics)

Honorable Mention

46 comments on “NJ High School XC Rankings – Sectionals Edition (Girls)

  1. Soranki
    November 12, 2014

    Good to see Shawnee Girls getting into the top 10, although I don’t know why they are not ranked ahead of Haddonfield. Won the merge at Delsea and had a better average time. Unfortunately, they have a much tougher road to the MOC and may not be able to prove it head to head.

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  2. Soranki
    November 12, 2014

    How about a group 4 discussion? I see 7 teams running for 5 spots in the MOC if you assume that both wild cards will come from G4. Who will be left out?

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  3. greentree53
    November 12, 2014

    One could argue Mendham should be #3. Faster team avg at sectional then Ridge

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  4. Joe Lanzalotto
    November 13, 2014

    Team averages are almost meaningless unless you merge results and even then they don’t mean a lot. Head-to-head competition is what is needed and hopefully we’ll get that in a week and a half. In the meantime I’m not knocking Ridge out of third because of a team average in one race. Need to see more.

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    • Soranki
      November 13, 2014

      Hey Joe, how about Shawnee and Haddonfield? I agree with you that team average and merge results are not true indicators because the G4 sectional race was a faster race than G2 at Delsea. I look at Shawnee and they have won every race they have been in this year. Haddonfield does not run in any of the SJ races so the only time that they can meet head to head is at the MOC. That being said, the only data that you can go with is the Delsea results, same day same course.

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  5. Joe Lanzalotto
    November 13, 2014

    I’m with you, Soranki. Pat can tell you that I’ve been on Shawnee all season, had them ranked in the top ten the whole way. Then the week before the sectionals I dropped them out. Knew I shouldn’t have done that. They labor in obscurity. Haddonfield gets the recognition because of who they are and have been and because of Bri Gess. Shawnee not so much.

    And I do agree that without more data what do you do? Use what you have. My point was that team averages are not definitive unto themselves. Much better when you use a merge but even that doesn’t account for the way the teams would run head-to-head. We all know nothing substitutes for the real thing and that’s coming up this and the next weekend. Can’t wait to see it.

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  6. Soranki
    November 13, 2014

    Great point on the “name recognition”, Joe. Hard not to respect what Haddonfield has done over the years. As for head-to-head, Haddonfield will cruise to the MOC and Shawnee will need to survive the G4 meat grinder. What a race that will be!

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  7. Joe Lanzalotto
    November 13, 2014

    I really hope Shawnee makes it. I don’t know anyone there but it would be great to see them fly under the radar all season then come up big and get to the bid dance.

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  8. greentree53
    November 13, 2014

    & Group 4 candidates; Ridgewwod, WWPS, Ridge, Hillsboro, Shawnee, Randolph. North Hunt & clearview

    Ridgewood and WWPS are stone cold mortal locks. Ridge very good postion but may be vulnerable in WC on total team time. Still think they get thirt automatic

    I think Randoph pulls it off and gets one WC. North Hunterdon could sneak in due to potnetial low time from Glasergreen.

    My gut tells me Shwneee and Clearview go home. Hillsboro and North battle for 2nd wc

    Of course that is why they run the races and i will probally be wrong!

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    • Joe Lanzalotto
      November 13, 2014

      No team is a mortal lock in Group 4 girls. They could all make it and all could be on the outside looking in if the race doesn’t go their way. Ought to be fun.

      Group 1 predictions?

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  9. greentree53
    November 13, 2014

    Any NPB predictions?

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  10. greentree53
    November 13, 2014

    Joe, just trying to stir the pot. PAt works hard on this forum and i think the dialog and banter here is better then Track Talk. I do think Ridgewwod and WWPS baring injury or illness are stone cold locks(perhaps not mmortal)

    For Group 1. Suesss defeats schaffer in close race. North Warren edges New Providence by less then 10 points.

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  11. Soranki
    November 13, 2014

    greentree53, I have Ridgewood, Ridge and WWPS taking the automatics. I put Hillsborough as 1st WC and a battle between Shawnee, Randolph and N Hunderton for 2nd wild card. I will not predict who because of my obvious bias! 🙂

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  12. Soranki
    November 13, 2014

    FYI, I sholud have included Clearview for the 8th team as they gave Shawnee all they could handle in the two meets before the sectionals. They could have just had an off day last week.

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    • greentree53
      November 15, 2014

      Soranki Shawnee had a great season. No shame at an off race at Groups!. Hope they rise from the ashes to a great season in future years. My daughters team bombed last year when they though they could win. This year they ran a great team race to earn a spot in big dance with limited expectations.. Theyare HS girls not the most consitent creature on the planet.

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  13. greentree53
    November 13, 2014

    Soranki i have a similar bias for a different team! Ridge is an exceptional team but they could have problems on aggregate time. They beat North Hunterdon easily at sectional but aggreage tiem was almost identical

    Something tells me Randolph overcomes adversity and sneaks one of the WC. I think Glasergreen will cruise to Group 4 title and set up a great battle with Gess and Pagano the following week

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  14. Soranki
    November 13, 2014

    Correct me if I am wrong, but aggregate time does not come into play if they finish 6th. Only the 4th and 5th place teams in each group are eligible for the wild card, correct? That being said, I can see a scenario where NH finishes 6th and still has a better aggregate time than the 4th and 5th place teams.

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  15. Joe Lanzalotto
    November 13, 2014

    But aggregate is all about having a stud on the team. You get a Gess who finishes 1:00 up on second place you get a nice impact on your team time which means nothing to the number of points scored. It’s all about the competition isn’t it?

    Yeah, Greentree, I get the pot stirring. So where is your prediction about Group 1? 🙂

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  16. greentree53
    November 13, 2014

    Seuess beats Schafer in a close race. North Warren beats New Providnece by arouns 10 points. How about yours?

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    • Joe Lanzalotto
      November 13, 2014

      Truth, and Pat can verify this, I never, ever make predictions about high school races. Ever. However, I do think you’ve got the right teams when you add in Shore.

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  17. Austin
    November 13, 2014

    Group 4,
    Predict the Raiders of Hillsborough come back and battle their Somerset rivals right to the end. Maybe a few points separate them again.
    To the MOC, in order: Ridgewood, Ridge, Hillsborough, WWPS and Randolph.

    Group 3: Mendham, Princeton and Summit

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    • greentree53
      November 15, 2014

      Austin great call on Hilsboro. I thought they would advance but not win

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  18. greentree53
    November 13, 2014

    I think No Highlands over Summit. Agree wit your top 2

    In Group 2 i see Haddonfield, Rumson and Voorhees in a 12 point 1-3 spread. Gess and Warner battle for 2 miles. with Gess laying the hammer down after the tennis courts. Until someone beats her i will never bet againnst her

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  19. Paul Schwartz
    November 13, 2014

    I can’t see Randolph finishing any higher than seventh — the Rams will score too many points with their fifth kid (who would be their seventh). That’s probably 40-50 more than than of the other six teams. (Clearview will be lucky to be in the top 12 IMHO). Don’ discount Hillsborough — Refi always gets his teams fired up for Holmdel!!!

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    • greentree53
      November 15, 2014

      Paul could call on Randolph. Great warriors but losing Harsch and Lansing to much to overcome. I think they would have cruised to MOC title absent injury but that is part of the sport

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  20. Paul Schwartz
    November 13, 2014

    I agree with your Group 2 analysis greentree and in group 1, don’t rule out Mountain Lakes for third. Group 3 looks to me like Mendham…..and everyone else with Northern Highlands edging Princeton (NH was without #5 last week — SATS (who knew a senior would wait until Nov. to take them for the first time!!!)

    What about NPA (after RBC of course) — Is Union Catholic for real?

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  21. Joe Lanzalotto
    November 14, 2014

    No truer words were ever spoken – never rule out Hillsborough girls. Ever.

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    • greentree53
      November 15, 2014

      Joe we disagree on many things but not the greatness of the Hillsboro program. Sensational job by Refki ans those girls. I will be rooting for then to take down RBC if my daughters team can not do it!

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  22. greentree53
    November 14, 2014

    Pat will tell you i have been commenting in my weekly top ten poll always be wary of Refki teams in November. Kind of like Jim Valvano used to say ifor March Madness “Always be wary of the Double Directionals”. Would not surprise me to see them advance but i do not think they will win.

    I still like a team with a great 1-2 punch over Hillsboro. Ridgewood, WWPS, Randolph and North Hunterdon have stronger 1-2 then Hillsboro. Paul is probably correct about Randolph number 5. I know Harsch is out. IS Lansing definitely out? An 50% Lansing could change the Randolph Dynamic as well as the entire Group 4 battle

    No question this is an exceptional year for the girls. The top 3 groups are all up for grabs with off the charts depth in Group 4

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  23. Soranki
    November 14, 2014

    I really hope that they somehow change the criteria for MOC. I think it’s important that the champions of each group move on, but top three is too much. Limit the automatics to the champion and runner up in each group and throw all of the remaining teams in an aggregate time qualifier for the remaining 8. That seems to me to be the right mix and would make for a much more competitive race at MOC.

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  24. Brian Walsh
    November 14, 2014

    Regardless of the outcomes, we have three dynamite races on tap tomorrow on the girls’ side with Groups 2, 3, and 4. All three races are loaded with good teams. Too much fun!!!

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  25. Joe lanzalotto
    November 14, 2014

    Indeed you are right Brian both the team and individual races.

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  26. Austin
    November 14, 2014

    Exactly Pat. We are so far away from the insane numbers seen at SCI, and it would be very little added cost to add THREE MORE wildcards to the mix, keeping the auto qualifiers from each Group. This can be accommodated for MOC. What is the counter to adding 21 more kids to the MOC race? And agreed, clearly not ethical or fair to take away the MOC incentives at this stage from kids and coaches from the smaller and NP schools.

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  27. Soranki
    November 14, 2014

    Pat, I think that is the only idea that will pass the vote. The Varsity Girls A race at Shore Coaches had 25 schools and 170 runners. I was at the tennis court area. I don’t think there were any complaints, although I was not at the top of the hill at the start to see the merging of runners. That is the only spot where there could be a problem.

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  28. Austin
    November 14, 2014

    Paul- thank you for alerting me to the NH SAT situation last week, as it was reason I put them below Summit for Gr.3 (thereby violating my rule not to place too much emphasis on Sectionals). Given that, I will amend my Group 3 picks:

    Mendham………then Northern Highlands, Princeton.

    Summit will be the unlucky, but eminently qualified, squad of the week under the current WC system.

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  29. Paul Schwartz
    November 14, 2014

    Pat — we’ll speak tomorrow but my early research is leaning towards adding three wild cards to MOC, not two.

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    • Joe Lanzalotto
      November 14, 2014

      Can you tell us more of what you two are working on?

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      • Paul Schwartz
        November 14, 2014

        adding two or three additional wild cards to the 20 teams already in — no deduction from those already in (three per group). The research is trying to determine if any adjustment should made on the 10 individual wild cards.

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  30. Pat Montferrat
    November 14, 2014

    OK fellers. Enough of this for now. Aside from artificially inflating my page views, it is turning a little too ugly, Steve, for my sensibilities. Any more on this subject and I delete the thread.
    Please. Thanks

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  31. Pat Montferrat
    November 14, 2014

    Dammit
    I warned you to leave it alone. I am really pissed off now.
    KNOCK IT OFF! NOW!!

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    • greentree53
      November 14, 2014

      Pat debate is healthy. I do not take my disagreements with you and Joe Personally. We all love the sport and want to see the best MOC possible. I told you i was done. Will focus on the races not who is worthy of the MOC. THe rules are what they are and us Group 4 stakeholders need to accept it for 2014

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  32. Joe Lanzalotto
    November 14, 2014

    The concern I have is that in the past the NJSIAA has said the there are already too many runners on the line in Holmdel. I don’t subscribe to that position but I am concerned that this suggestion would lead to “well, we could easily accommodate this at Thompson Park”.

    Otherwise it’s a good idea.

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  33. Joe Lanzalotto
    November 14, 2014

    Sorry, Austin that was a reply to you. I must have hit the wrong REPLY button.

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  34. Austin
    November 15, 2014

    The Raiders! Had a feeling they were laying in the weeds.
    And congrats for a great run from the team with so much pride and tradition, North Hunterdon. As usual Paul nailed it with Randolph.

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    • greentree53
      November 15, 2014

      Big time race by Hiillsboro. Not to mention great day for Skylands Conference across the Groups. Ridge 2nd, NH 3rd. Voorhees wins Group 2! Kelly Schaffer Second in Group 1. Refki deserves all the credit for always having his kids prepared for November races

      Second Race in three weeks Ridge and Hillsboro decided by a single point. They will have a epic clash with RBC next week

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  35. Dimeswim99
    November 16, 2014

    Congrats to Hillsborough. Great race yesterday.

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